Barockljusstakar

[hose]

I have about 6 in this same baroque form and some look older than others.

The one in question look late in the time frame I suggested.
Now I see that the one is manufactured in 2 half that has been set together. The long vertical stribe.
Often they are made and you see 2 holes in the baluster where the center of the form was held.

[UScollector]

Thank you for the information above, now I understand what you mean. As promised here are a few more and some questions. There is very little information on European candlesticks in English, it seems most of the books show mostly English examples and a few Dutch and French so your help is most appreciated. As I post these I will tell where I got them as in some cases the candlestick might not have wandered too far from it's birthplace.

This one is rather large at about 7" tall, it is seamed and has quite a high copper content. It appears to have a old solder joint fixing the stem to the base. Also someone stuck 3 sticky felt feet on it so they didn't scratch a table. This was bought in the US for $ 9. from someone that had no clue as to it's age.





Here you can see the color difference very well



Thank You

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Here are 3 what I have told are Danish Næstved stage, I guess from that town. I have been told they were made from the 1680's to the mid 18th century. All 3 have solid stems, 2 have been soldered I think the one on the right is later than the two on the left based on the shape of the base. These were all bought last year at flea markets in Copenhagen for between 300 and 750 DKK.

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Here are a few more with similar stems, again all solid and screwed into the base. Are these from the same time period as the baroque shape to the stem may suggest? Some of my books seem to think the 8 sided base might have been a Dutch design? So once again where and from when are these from? Also not the two on the right have a higher copper content.... sort of a feel or gun metal as we would call it. The two on the left were both found in Copenhagen flea markets for 400 DKK each, the one on the far right came from the middle of the USA for $ 55........ Thanks again for any help you may be able to offer.

[UScollector]

Now here are a few more with 8 sided bases, on the left is what I believe to be Spanish, maybe 1670-80. It is made in a very different method as the stem is hollow and soldered together from a number of thin half spheres. It is very light and the base is very thin brass. It was also one of my best bargains at $ 6. from a box lot at auction. The one in the middle is from post 109 above. The pair at the right I have no idea when or where they were made so any help is appreciated. On these the bases are a fairly thick casting. They were found in the UK for about £ 200 I think.

[hose]

Here are 3 what I have told are Danish Næstved stage, I guess from that town. I have been told they were made from the 1680's to the mid 18th century. All 3 have solid stems, 2 have been soldered I think the one on the right is later than the two on the left based on the shape of the base. These were all bought last year at flea markets in Copenhagen for between 300 and 750 DKK.

Congratulations yes you have butiful old stager.
But Næstved - yes it is the city and danish name of these. However the type is made in denmark and Northern Germany. The name Nætved stage is old. During my 30-35-40 years interest in these I have heard the name Næstved. And it gives a special status to a specific type. The story proberly originates to the 1940ties or 50ties and name continued. But could be German as well.
1680ties - well have been told that the foot of these late 16XX are 8 shaped and around 1720 the round foot. Type made until around 1800.
But its all very unsure - not realy science, but more tradition and evaluation.

I got them as in some cases the candlestick might not have wandered too far from it's birthplace.

This one is rather large at about 7" tall, it is seamed and has quite a high copper content. It appears to have a old solder joint fixing the stem to the base. Also someone stuck 3 sticky felt feet on it so they didn't scratch a table. This was bought in the US for $ 9. from someone that had no clue as to it's age.

It can be rigtht that they did not wander - however that we dont know. I have a beaker - made 1760 in Århus Denmark - bought on ebay from a US source - today back in Denmark. Dont know where it has been during the 250 years.

The left one - I have never seen that foot in Denmark. But on tradera.se or here at Precis.... or another swedish site Antikprat I have sen pictures of that foot.
But never seen it in Denmark - It does not meen that its not here - I have not been everywhere, but still.
Age however - good.

Now here are a few more with 8 sided bases, on the left is what I believe to be Spanish, maybe 1670-80. It is made in a very different method as the stem is hollow and soldered together from a number of thin half spheres. It is very light and the base is very thin brass. It was also one of my best bargains at $ 6. from a box lot at auction. The one in the middle is from post 109 above. The pair at the right I have no idea when or where they were made so any help is appreciated. On these the bases are a fairly thick casting. They were found in the UK for about £ 200 I think.

No question that they are old. I consulted a book and that said spanish too.
Sorry I cannot place the others - but they are good.

[UScollector]

Thank you Hose,

As for the foot or base shown on the right of post #108, it seems to be very similar to some of the styles I have been told were late 18th/early 19th century Danish. On the right here are some that I believe date from that time. Both have hand cut screw threads and these were found in the US, the one on the far side came from a older woman cleaning out her grandparents summer house, she thought they had been in the house nearly a hundred years and her grandparents were Danish... it was $ 12 on ebay, I asked her this when I got it and she was very happy it went to someone who cared. The other came from the state of Iowa which has a lot of Scandinavian immigrants for about $ 50. The pair on the left I think are mid 18th century and possibly Danish..... they were found at a flea market in Copenhagen for 700 DKK this past summer.





On the candlestick shown in post # 107 I think it might be German, I saw a few last week on German ebay listed as Biedermeier?????

[hose]

You are most likely correct.
Regarding the biedermeier - I dont agree. Bad description more likely. I would say baroq. But the top confuses me?

Regarding this - with the tulip form I would say its around 1800 onwards
Regarding the other picture - this type is what originally was called Næstved stage. The baluster is down.
Then we also call the one with baluster up by same name Næstved. But the original one called is the one I cut from your picture.

[UScollector]

Thank you again. It is interesting for an object so common such as candlesticks, that have been in millions of homes for hundreds of years, how little documentation from the period of their creation exists. Most are un-signed with exception of a number of maker in Birmingham England (do you have the book "Birmingham Brass Candlesticks" by Jean Burks?), there are a few late 18th c. pattern books or trade catalogs (these are actually quite rare), about all we have is directory listings of trades but without marked examples it is hard to match those up. Also very few have come to modern times with a good and solid provenance or history of where they have been. I wonder if anyone has done a search of the images in paintings of candlesticks say since 1600? I wonder how did Gentle and Schiffer come to the conclusions on where and when things were made in their wonderful books on brass?

I think it is fun to share knowledge and in the end we all learn a little more.

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I just missed this on German ebay, it sold for 43.50 Euros, It was listed as a "BIEDERMEIER Messing Leuchter Nordfriesland um 1880 quadratisch"...... notice it is marked, my question is this really from 1880 and that is the mark of a maker of reproductions of older styles or is it a real one from around 1700? Does anyone recognize the marks? Is the mark in German or Spanish?...... one reason I ask is I have one with similar feet that I think is late 1600's..... mine has no marks.

Thank you.

[hose]

It was listed as a "BIEDERMEIER Messing Leuchter Nordfriesland um 1880 quadratisch"---is this really from 1880 and that is the mark of a maker of reproductions of older styles or is it a real one from around 1700?
I ask is I have one with similar feet that I think is late 1600's..... mine has no marks.

The foot represent 1600hundreds but I have also seen it manufactured in 1900 and I have seen some for sale that are very new.
I cannot say what is case with this one.

Middel of pipe is Empire style. And top I would say baroq.
That could mean that it is all in mixed style - and that would be 1880 onwards. I think that 1880ties++++ would be my best guess.
In other words I would trust description in ebay.

The circle pyramid at botton - directs me towards UK models from Victorian/Edwardian times. Without being exact match of english.

[UScollector]

Very interesting observations......... here are some more from my collection including the one with similar feet........ what are your thoughts? I will hold off telling where they were purchased for now.

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Hello All and a Merry Christmas, It is the early afternoon of Christmas eve here and everything is all ready for the Holiday so I thought I would post my latest additions to the collection. This is 17th Century Spanish, maybe about 1660 - 1680 based on my books. It is cast and very thin, the base is only between 2 and 3 millimeters thick. Looks very old with all sorts of impurities in the brass...... bought off ebay from Spain for $ 49...... quite a good deal.

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On the drive to my parents house, about 800 miles, I stopped at a few antique shops. In one of them I bought this candlestick. I have no idea where or when it is from? It looks like it has some age, the hand cut threads, the turning on the bottom, the top casting is not perfectly round. To me it looks a little European..... I say that part because it does not look American or Asian. Thank you for any help....

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I think the one I posted in post # 119 might be Russian, late 19th century. This I base on a number on ebay with similar features. It is however just a guess......